ARG on crack polls

 This joke of a polling firm has McCAin with 20% in iowa and Romeny with 17, are they making this shit up or are they that incompetant. My bet is that Bennet is either a big supporter or is being paid off, how can any media organization report that garbadge. McCain isn't competitng int he state and other pols show him averaging about 6% now he's ahead of Romney?



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Re: ARG on crack polls (none / 0)

And they also have Hillary at +4 on Obama in Iowa.

Is this what's pissing you off?

I'm an Obama man BTW.


by Bode on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 12:16:09 PM EST

Re: ARG on crack polls (none / 0)

no thats not far from the other iowa polls which have for the last month depended on methodology, but i think it's obvious that they are pushing McCain who is the gop's most electable choice. I don't want Obama to face him in the general.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 12:19:12 PM EST
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Re: ARG on crack polls (none / 0)

Rasmussen has him in third with 14% so the DMR endorsement probably helped him a bit but I doubt by as much as ARG suggest. New Hampshire I can buy but their history does not fill me with much confidence - too open to wild swings in short periods of time.


by conspiracy on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 12:18:34 PM EST

Re: ARG on crack polls (none / 0)

they have Mccain tied in NH as well no other poll shows him within single didgets.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 12:20:05 PM EST
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Re: ARG on crack polls (none / 0)

Except the two Jerome cited in his FP post yesterday. Sheesh.
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 12:21:29 PM EST
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Re: ARG on crack polls (none / 0)

You aare such a dope. ARG polls suck of course but the allegation of corruption just comes so easily from you. My gawd, you are perhaps the worst commenter on this board, and that is saying something.
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 12:20:48 PM EST

dont pay ARG no mind (none / 0)

The fact that they have McCain ahead of Romney should tell you right there how trashy this polling firm is...It just seems like they are just writting those numbers out without any interview or anything.

Im sure the Edwards supporters would like this poll showing their candidate at 18% in Iowa...Theymay be right on this front since some of my source in Iowa are telling me Edwards may be unviable in many urban area where there's a heavy doze of delegates to have.

They also tell me his support is clustered in the rural part , but Edwards will not support if he finishes third in most of those urban area because those areas are delegates right.

The Des Moines area will basically be a fight between Obama and Hillary.


by Prodigy on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 12:42:20 PM EST

Obama will lose because the smear job has worked! (none / 0)

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesm outh/2007/12/poll_seventy_pe.php

"Poll: Seventy Percent Don't Know What Religion Obama Is"

God Bless America


by Bode on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 12:50:29 PM EST

Who is Barack Obama? (none / 0)

I have asked that question over and over and over again.  I don't even know for sure if he has brothers or sisters (I have heard two brothers).  I don't know if any of his parents are alive or where they live.

I don't know much about the guy.


by dpANDREWS on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 01:06:32 PM EST
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He's not white, that's what he is (none / 0)

Then again, neither am.

Hillary Clinton has reminded me of my true place in American society...the bottom


by Bode on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 01:20:10 PM EST
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Unreal (none / 0)

Now the Clintons -  of all people - are racist?   Yeah that will sell.  

Give us all a break with that nonsense please.


by dpANDREWS on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 01:21:49 PM EST
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Re: Unreal (none / 0)

The Clinton's are NOT racist...no.

But they realize that many other are and are actively trying to exploit said bigotry.

And it's working. It always has. If repubs were pulling the same stuff everyone would be calling it out.

Anyway. If it works, why do you care?


by Bode on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 01:26:21 PM EST
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Re: Unreal (none / 0)

Yeah, now racism is the reason Obama's support in Iowa has come down to Earth?  How predictable can this stuff be?  Any and all downward movement Obama may be showing from here on out will be the result of someone invoking latent racism in people's minds.  How about:  People may not be that impressed with the guy, upon close-up review?  I don't think Obama's candidacy wears well under closer scrutiny, and the fact that he generally lags behind others on ANY issue Iowa Democrats find important may suggest that once people in their examination get to the ISSUES part of the equation, some may not exactly be sticking around for the duration.


by georgep on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 01:37:43 PM EST
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Obama is dropping because of experience (none / 0)

Experience and strength.

He lacks both.

He is green.


by dpANDREWS on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 01:42:27 PM EST
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What is Barack's hometown? (none / 0)


by dpANDREWS on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 01:22:27 PM EST
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Re: What is Barack's hometown? (none / 0)

uh...according to Camp Clinton?   Mecca.


by Bode on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 01:30:09 PM EST
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Seriously, I don't know where he was born (none / 0)

I don't know where he spent his youth.

I know that he lived in Indonesia for a couple of years and in Hawaii as a teen.  What about all the rest?  Where did he spend his first 10 years?

What did his mother do for a living?  

I think a lot of people don't know any of this either.  Maybe you don't.  Maybe you don't care.   But Obama gives the impression he doesn't want people to know.  I think it hurts Obama.  Most Presidents these days give you a sense of who they are by where they are from.

Reagan and Bill Clinton did great jobs at that.  Kerry did it by talking about old friends and playing in a band, etc.


by dpANDREWS on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 01:41:28 PM EST
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Re: Seriously, I don't know where he was born (none / 0)

Well, he has written two autobiographies.  I haven't read them, but I don't feel like he's trying to hide anything about his background.  I mean, he didn't have to admit the drug thing if he didn't want to, that makes him look quite forthright.

I think Obama's biggest problem is his supporters, in that if they try to shout down anyone who brings up his background, they give the impression that there's something to hide.  They need to take more of a cue from their candidate as far as the virtues of appearing open.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 01:45:25 PM EST
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Re: Seriously, I don't know where he was born (none / 0)

As long as Obama's campaign isn't defensive it's fine.

Still, at the same time, there is also no problem with pointing out why the Clinton Camp seems to be so intent on highlighting certain things in his background.

They obviously think there is some political traction to be had.


by Bode on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 01:49:02 PM EST
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Re: Seriously, I don't know where he was born (none / 0)

I see a big flaw in the Obama campaign that they assume everyone's read the biography and therefore everyone knows his background.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 02:23:31 PM EST
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Re: Seriously, I don't know where he was born (none / 0)

My point was not that everyone has read the biography, but simply that a guy who writes two autobiographies probably isn't trying to keep his background shrouded in mystery.  If I were Obama, that would certainly be one of my talking points.

Back in the real world, today's poll finding that 70% of Americans don't know Obama's religion ought to be a concern to Obama supporters and should rebut the silly claim that Obama has been just as vetted as Hillary.  The sad truth is, Obama is far more upfront about his religion than Hillary, but everyone just "assumes" Hillary is Christian like everyone else.  Obama, for reasons that are completely unfair, doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.

Did you notice how Obama slipped his religion into the last debate, in the middle of his defense of Joe Biden's civil rights record?  It was extremely smooth.  He's going to need a lot more of that.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 02:39:38 PM EST
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Re: Seriously, I don't know where he was born (none / 0)

You're probably right that he's going to have to talk more about religion. But---here's a big but---do people want to hear it? I don't know about you but I DON'T want to hear anymore about someone's religion because all we have heard about for the last 7 years is SOMEONE'S religion! I'm really burnt out on that subject. I'm wating for Huckabee to decline to have a flesh and blood vp and simply state that Jesus is his running mate. And I'm a Christian and I feel this way.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 02:50:00 PM EST
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Re: Seriously, I don't know where he was born (none / 0)

Heh, I don't think I can name what any candidate's mother did for a living.

Obama's life has probably been more discussed than that of any other candidate. It's the subject of a best-selling book, after all.

But in case you are really unable to find the info:

Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii to Barack Obama, Sr. (born in Nyanza Province, Kenya) and Ann Dunham (born in Wichita, Kansas). His parents met while both were attending the University of Hawaii at Manoa, where his father was enrolled as a foreign student. Obama's parents separated when he was two years old and later divorced. His father went to Harvard University to pursue Ph.D. studies, then returned to Kenya, where he died in an auto accident when the younger Obama was twenty-one years old. His mother married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian foreign student, with whom she had one daughter. The family moved to Jakarta in 1967, where Obama attended local schools from ages 6 to 10. He then returned to Honolulu to live with his maternal grandparents while attending Punahou School from 5th grade until his graduation in 1979. Obama's mother died of ovarian cancer a few months after the publication of his 1995 memoir, Dreams from My Father.

After graduating from Punahou, Obama studied at Occidental College for two years, then transferred to Columbia University, where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations. He received his B.A. degree in 1983, then worked for one year at Business International Corporation[24] before moving to Chicago to take a job as a community organizer. He entered Harvard Law School in 1988. In 1990, The New York Times reported his election as the Harvard Law Review's "first black president in its 104-year history". He completed his J.D. degree magna cum laude in 1991. On returning to Chicago, Obama directed a voter registration drive. As an associate attorney with Miner, Barnhill & Galland from 1993 to 1996, he represented community organizers, discrimination claims, and voting rights cases. He was a lecturer of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1993 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004.

So now you know!


by animated on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 02:04:57 PM EST
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Thank you for that (none / 0)


by dpANDREWS on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 02:07:35 PM EST
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Re: Obama (none / 0)

What I get out of this is that GOP rule has turned us into some kind of quasi theocracy. It also speaks as to how poorly Obama has handled the subject.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 01:29:41 PM EST
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Re: Obama (none / 0)

"It also speaks as to how poorly Obama has handled the subject."

Yeah, he should have changed his name before entered the race.

Or maybe there really is no difference b/w Dems and Repubs when it comes to exploiting racial fear for political ends.

Anyway...

Two articles which suggest that the Clinton's campaign's tactics may be turning off black voters--one article from the American Prospect, the other and editorial from Black Star News (a major NYC black publication)

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?arti cle=the_real_race_card

http://www.blackstarnews.com/?c=117& a=4012


by Bode on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 01:33:27 PM EST
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Re: Obama (none / 0)

If you believe that his name is such a negative then perhaps America isn't ready for him. I happen to think that we do live in a racist country--maybe moreso because of the area that I live in skewing my perspective even more.

I'm sure some people are mad just like others are mad at Obama for the Hsu thing. People will either move forward or they won't.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 02:30:38 PM EST
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Re: Obama (none / 0)

I hate this country.


by Bode on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 02:37:33 PM EST
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Ras has McCain up 7 or 8 in Iowa too (none / 0)

McCain is moving up.

People in the GOP are realizing that McCain - if you can beleive this! -  is the most sane guy they have running.

The rest are totally insane.


by dpANDREWS on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 04:49:44 PM EST


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