Edwards calls to stop the ads! update

      I like Edwards and think he would make for a fantastic president but he needs to cut the crap now. No one alive beleives he can't let it be known that he doesn't want his former camapign manager running 527 ads on his behalf. Hillary for all her faults isn't claiming that 527's are bad and need to be banned, Edwards is. In 2004 the senator rightly called on Bush to stop the swifty ads which evert dem knows was Karl Rove's doing. The 750,000 worth of tv time isn't worth looking like a hypocrate and a phoney.



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Obama, cancel the Oprah events.  Force Oprah to create a PAC that can donate all the free media as an in-kind contribution to your campaign, as she has already exceeded the limit for an individual contributor.  And no, she cannot bundle the in-kind contributions.

And Obama, please repudiate Planned Parenthood, for they are a special interest group who controlled your votes in the Illinois state Senate.


by truthteller2007 on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 04:42:18 PM EST

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I'm a Hillary person, but Edwards is right. He cannot stop these ads. More to the point, if he even picks up the phone and calls these people, he is breaking the law.

I have a better solution. Why don't Obama and his minions quit whining like petulant little brats and prove you're grown up to inhabit the White House?


"What do Barack Obama and David Koresh have in common? Too god damn much."
by ThinkingDem on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 04:58:47 PM EST

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You have no idea what you're talking about. You don't know if its tv time or not. You don't know if its mailings to union members (are you really going to get upset about unions mailing their own members) or what. And for God's sake, what in the world do yo u think UAW is doing on behalf of Obama? Good for them for supporting their candidate.

Its as if anything anyone says or does to support Edwards is dirty campaigning. I've never such craziness.

The fear of a progressive populist is almost palpable.


by desmoulins on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 05:01:16 PM EST

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Lets be clear. There are no ads running so thats what I am referring to as "craziness" when someone says "Stop the ads" and makes comparisons to Swift Boats Veterans.


by desmoulins on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 05:02:24 PM EST
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Gee, with all the fawning by the media Obama has recieved, all the free coverage from Oprah, and the millions of dollars he has raised, all he can do is cry like a baby because an independent group finds much more hope in Edwards? I got a better idea, dry up the tears and come up with some real vision!!!

The Audacity of Hype indeed!!


by RDemocrat on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 05:01:29 PM EST

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Don't look now but your candidate just did what Obama asked him to do:

Des Moines Register:


 Presidential candidate John Edwards declared Saturday that the country should ban independent political groups that buy ads flattering or trashing candidates, and he said he wished that groups running ads favoring him would stop doing so.

After a rally here, the former North Carolina senator told reporters that by law, he can have no control or over such groups, known as "527s."

"I can't talk to them at all," he said. When asked if he would say publicly that he wished the groups would stop running ads for him, Edwards changed the subject. But later, in Coralville, he said that he did wish the groups would drop the ads.

"I would encourage all the 527s, not just this one, but all the 527s to stay out of it," he said. "But I have no legal authority over that."

Edwards trails his two top Democratic competitors in fund-raising, and he often says that the campaign-finance system should be drastically changed to increase transparency and limit the role of corporations and lobbyists.



by Piuma on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 05:08:34 PM EST

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Way to stand up for the unions, John. Let me guess, now you want to "fight them" on their ability to participate in free speech?


by hwc on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 05:15:27 PM EST
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Actually his concern as always is a principle. Namely that he doesn't like outside influence in politics. i disagree with him here, but there is indeed a strong principle that undergirds his position.  While everyone keeps attacking him for doing or not doing what they want him to do- and claiming he is phony- he actually seems to be running according to a core set of principles, where you or I always like them or not.


by bruh21 on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 05:22:52 PM EST
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He employed the subjunctive, and he acknowledged he cannot communicate with them.

Obama is sanctimonious, and he has no right to criticize other campaigns.  Besides, he has bundled donations from hedge funds, HMOs and Cigna to return.  And what about all the donations from the Maytag tycoons in the Crown family?


by truthteller2007 on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 05:16:46 PM EST
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This is the key part:

"I would encourage all the 527s, not just this one, but all the 527s to stay out of it," he said. "But I have no legal authority over that."

NO LEGAL AUTHORITY.

Many of you seem to miss that point. And, if you say that's not true, I can cut and paste from the other diaries wherein  it literally says he should pick up the phone.


by bruh21 on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 05:20:47 PM EST
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He has no legal authority to stop Congress's Health Care, but he says he will do it by using the Bully Pulpit.  Well let's see him climb up on that pulpit and get his supporters to stop.  


by Piuma on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 05:24:39 PM EST
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Edwards did exactly as you and others claimed you wanted him to do on this issue within the limits of his power under the law by using the pulpit of the media exactly as you decribe, and you are still whining? You demonstrate why this isn't about Edwards at all. This seems to be a moving target to deflect from your candidate's bad week. After Jan 3 he'd better get used to some bad weeks.


by bruh21 on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 05:33:13 PM EST
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Who's whining?  I'm the one who brought the recent release into the discussion.  Let me be clearer - let's see how effective he will be in stopping them.


by Piuma on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 05:42:32 PM EST
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Let me be clear- other than making that statement- he doesn't need to do anything to stop them and nor should he. Even forgetting the law - as a matter of priorities, this shouldn't be on his list.  That's the whining part- that you think he's supposed to do more to make your candidate not feel pressure. Get over it.

By the way, are you seriously, and i thought you intended it as hyperbole in the middle of an argument- comparing the bully pulpit of a candidate running in a Democratic primary with minor media exposure with the bullypulpit of being the President of the United States? I can only hope you are just being passiionate in your advocacy of your candidate and don't actually believe your argument.


by bruh21 on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 05:50:21 PM EST
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The power of the Bully Pulpit comes from the winning the election, from being able to say I represent the will of the people.  Obama uses that power in his favor in his negotiations for Health Care - it is what allows him to set the agenda.  Edwards approach is different, he claims the bully pulpit will be enough to force the Insurance companies and their congressional support to back down despite him having no legal grounds for forcing them without congressional approval. So in a way it is an analogous situation played out on a smaller stage.  The 527s are supporters over which he has no legal grounds.  Their actions run counter to his expressed wish.  Let's see how effective he is.  It really has nothing to do with Obama, and I'm not whining.  Personally I don't care if they stop or not - I don't think it is effective and their existence makes Edwards appear to be a hypocrite.  I think it's counter-productive for him.


by Piuma on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 05:59:15 PM EST
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I love how you keep trying to change the subject. You were wrong about the issue at hand so you change the topic to something else. I mean it's a nice "look over there"  by pretending this remotely has anything at all to do with healthcare, but that's all it is. The analogous aspect of it is that you really have no idea what you are talking about when you compare the power of the Presidency to a candidate running for office. You lost me when you couldn't admit to that most basic of common sense flaw in your argument-- scale and what that means.


by bruh21 on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 06:03:03 PM EST
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By the way-the core point is that you are trying to deflect from the fact you are whining. Edwards did all he could do. You can't handle any criticism of Obama. You need someone to blame. Edwards is an easier target than the 527. So you whine about Edwards. That's the core dynamic here. So you contort as much logic and twist yourself as much as you can into a pretzel justifying how "Edwards is wrong" but it's still whining, and if you can't handle this you sure as hell can't handle a real challenge.


by bruh21 on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 06:05:51 PM EST
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If he can't handle his supporters how is he going to handle the people who are his enemies?  You people seem to be able to throw a punch but when you get counterpunched in the mouth you run off crying whiner.  We are not whining, we're just not lying down to the pathetic attacks done by surrogates which is all a negative attack by a 527 is.  Quit yer bellyaching.


by Piuma on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 06:11:38 PM EST
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All I see here is a lot of sanctimony and a lot of choleric children whining.

Hope is just another empty promise by yet another career politician.


by truthteller2007 on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 06:13:47 PM EST
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your arguments are pretty weak. you really can't justify your siliness so you expect me to? Sorry, not going to happen. My feelings is that Edwards should have said screw you and moved on. This is a primary, get over it. Period. He went above what I would have given you so you are talking to the wrong person expecting this whining to be perceived as anything more than that. I wasn't sypathetic to Kerry and I am not to Obama here. Grow a pair.


by bruh21 on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 10:41:48 PM EST
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Ever since he's taken over the lead he's had nothing but heat from Clinton doing their best Republican imitation from the gutter and now Edwards supporters from the 527s and everything he pushes back and turns it around on them people cry out how's he going to handle the Republicans.  You're watching it, Jack, and in the meantime showing to the apolitical side of the country there really is no difference between the two parties.


by Piuma on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 05:30:40 PM EST

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Edwards has called on the group to stop the ads good job Obama for pointing this out and good job Edwards for realizing nothing is more important than honor and telling the truth. I would be thrilled if they formed a ticket.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 06:55:22 PM EST

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Where were these repudiations of 527s when Democratic Courage attacked Clinton?  Or is Obama only concerned with his reputation?  Obama is sanctimonious, and Edwards should have ignored his desperate cries.  

They are hypocrites, for neither said a word when PACs attacked Clinton.


by truthteller2007 on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 07:41:46 PM EST


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